This book titled Extreme, written by two psychologists, with a section on ostracism.
I've been having troubles adding these to see, and the best I can do is provide the links
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On shunning
by paranoia agent inthis book titled extreme, written by two psychologists, with a section on ostracism.. i've been having troubles adding these to see, and the best i can do is provide the links.
http://imageshack.com/a/img538/5893/fnqoq5.jpg.
http://imageshack.com/a/img661/5378/coj7kq.jpg.
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Are the Governing Body Members Mentally Ill?
by Oubliette indata-dog: i believe that many of them would actually be considered mentally ill, if they were ever tested.. .
great question and intriguing hypothesis.
lets take an armchair psychologists view and see what we shall see.
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Phizzy15 hours ago
Anyone who lives a life of delusion is in fact mentally ill. Many such people function despite their illness, and do little harm.
There is zero evidence. There is no psychologist, neurologist or psychiatrist that will support you with your comment from ignorance.
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Are the Governing Body Members Mentally Ill?
by Oubliette indata-dog: i believe that many of them would actually be considered mentally ill, if they were ever tested.. .
great question and intriguing hypothesis.
lets take an armchair psychologists view and see what we shall see.
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Oubliette:You can't possibly know that. You're certainly able to think it, but you can't know it and in fact you are wrong.
In context of what is being discussed here, yes I do know. I have also mentioned a number of books in my post and run a blog dedicated to books on psychology - http://psychbookreviews.blogspot.com.au/
Oubliette: OK, you just lost all credibility in this discussion.
How so?
Oubliette: Pretty ironic statement considering your JWN Username.
BTW, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!What about my username? It says nothing of me. What are you twelve?
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Are the Governing Body Members Mentally Ill?
by Oubliette indata-dog: i believe that many of them would actually be considered mentally ill, if they were ever tested.. .
great question and intriguing hypothesis.
lets take an armchair psychologists view and see what we shall see.
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I don’t think anyone here understand what is being mentally ill, so before any mention of who is mentally ill allow me to explain that nobody has mental disorders or illnesses.
Firstly mental illness is a term used by psychiatrists that shouldn't be used. The mind is something that can't be seen, has no smell or taste. The brain on the other hand does, but there is little neurology can understand about the brain and mind without psychological interpretation. But how can the mind have an illness? This is just as ridiculous as saying that the soul has an illness.
The other problem is that psychiatry has set the line for normality, to determine abnormal psychology, sadly as some tautology of theirs with little evidential support. Saving Normal is a book written by the person responsible for the DSM-IV, a past bible used by all psychiatrists, which (in the book Saving Normal) he explains the issues with normality. Some clinical psychologists (The New Laws of Psychology and The Book of Woe books) have gone so far to explain that there is no such thing as abnormal or normal psychology, just psychology.
The other problem is of what the layperson thinks of mental illnesses and mental disorders. As if irrational behaviours explain some illness. Let me here explain briefly what is going on with JW’s. People are somewhat born as blank slats, and jws implement a system to control and monitor a members level of education and socialisations in such a way that makes it difficult for differentiation dialogue to take place to make way for change. The other problems are human problems, cognitive dissonance (- Mistakes Were Made (But Not by Me): Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions, and Hurtful Acts – is an excellent book on this), cognitive biases (The Art of Thinking Clear) and other cognitive distortions and heurists (my favourite book Thinking, Fast and Slow). All this books explain how we think we are rational beings when in fact we are very irrational.
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explains how he left the jws.
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How do you feel about religion as a whole?
by FatherFirst init just seems to me religion in general primarily makes truly bad people worse, not genuinly good people better; and in many cases has even made good people do bad things in the name of their religion.
just curious, a personal poll if you will.
what are you guys' current views on religion as a whole?
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Religion has its benefits. For one it functions as a placebo, helping people face hardships and the such. Then as a social aspect, it's cheaper to regulate people of the society than law and police.
But religion can also be the cause of deaths, discrimination and bad prejudices.
biblical fundamentalists for example, has to deal with their cognitive dissonance regarding science. I'm quick to point out to those that claim the bible not to be errant, that the sun does not revolve around the earth. The conversation from here on is rather pointless, but you can understand the problem religion causes with disconnect of communication. It's like politics.
then the religious, just like jw's, have their how faulty view of themselves as having the higher moral ground. I heard at "at least she's a Christian". The person who said this is known for her gossip and pettiness. They delude themselves in thinking of something they don't understand as being right. Moral absolutes coming from a God that out did hitler.
to combate these problems, it does not come from atheism or theism. It comes from humanism, philosophies of life and the understanding of moral psychology.
jhine: here the Salvation Army board members wants gays dead. There also was a scandle of how they use their money, and their prejudice to other non-Christian people.
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A brilliant psychologist
by voodoo lady ini've been seeing a brilliant psychologist.
he has been pivotal in drawing the parallels between my jw upbringing - specifically the hypocrisy i saw as a child - and the reason i've tolerated lies and inconsistencies in my most significant adult relationship.. i've seen one other psychologist in the past.
she didn't get the issues surrounding the religion whatsoever, didn't regard that aspect of my backstory as relevant, and was of little help to me.. has anyone else seen a psychologist - whether for help with coping in the aftermath of leaving the religion, or for seemingly unrelated issues that actually turned out to be related?
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Psychologist know a lot, but psychology really is also an art. Some have it and others don't. The same with people of the public, you have to suspect psychologists of their biases and shortcomings. That is why I tell people to switch if they feel that their psychologist does not understand them.
As for psychiatrists, I see no need for them unless the patient is suffering from clinical depression. All they do is categorize you for a drug they think you should take. But this wont resolve the problem to the full extent. For books on this read Cracked, The Book of Woe and Saving Normal.
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Abortion?
by Protarded inscenerio.
your daughter gets pregnant.
your little girl whom you've invested your life and love.
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A couple questions for atheists on Suffering
by little_Socrates inwho told you that the world should be free from suffering?.
do you find any value in suffering?.
do you think it is possible to experience all the beauty and goodness and pleasure the world offers without also experiencing the bad?
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Who told you that the world should be free from suffering?
Do you find any value in suffering?
Do you think it is possible to experience all the beauty and goodness and pleasure the world offers without also experiencing the bad? Isn't good only good because we know what bad is? If there was only good would it really be "good"?
If you where God and could eliminate suffering what would the world look like? Or conversely if there was a loving God what should we expect the world to look like?
If you think about it, a world without world suffering would be nonsensical. Let me put it this way, you can't know light if there never was darkness. In the same manner you couldn't know suffering without happiness.
Now in the real world we do things with little regard to suffering. We hunt and eat animals. We defend our countries, etc. Cognitively we have tools that deludes us from reality, inflating our ego (evolutionary psychology has a lot to say on this). It's just that we make ad hoc and a priori excuses for them.
So I would like there to be a world of less suffering, and this is viably possible to some extent in our world from our time if I am to disregard those with brain deficiencies that cause depression, bipolar, schizophrenia and the such. I see a need for global harmony and anti-nationalism as did Einstein and Nietzsche.
Now if I was god that is a difficult question. Even if a god did exist it would be subjected to the laws of logic. After all god couldn't create a squared triangle, but happiness and suffering are harmonies to logic. So i hope that from this you understand that we are all chained to the laws of mathematics, of nature.
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Book reviews by Steve Hassan
by paranoia agent ini have a small blog space which i do really short book reviews that i have read.. the latest entry are books by ex-cult councilor steven hassan.. http://psychbookreviews.blogspot.com.au/2015/03/combatting-cult-mind-control-ccmc.html.
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Thank you ABibleStudent
Probably not. I mean I don't mind if it shows up in the library or if someone is willing to donate it for a couple of months.
